I am moved to write this in response to someone giving their opinion that real horror cannot have romance in it.
I think it can.
And before I go any further I would like very much to quote horror fan,
Rick Youmans on this:
'It is one of the two motivational forces behind the horror genre. Either the return of unrequited love (the other being vengeance for a wrong). Any construct of horror that denies this has no understanding of its real power in the present sense. The abstract nature of vengeance, against society et al, is the predominate foci depicted in the visual mediums, while the search for love in a cruel world is the foci of the written medium...for the most part...'
Although the novel, Dracula and the films differ on this issue, I still feel there is an undercurrent of sexuality in the novel. I think Bram Stoker is clearly writing about female sexuality in the character of Lucy and Mina.
I also feel that Dracula's actions with regard to over powering Mina (novel) to force her to feed on him is sexual. It is sexual abuse really when he restrains her.
Naturally, he's not her knight in shining armor. She's not wanting to have his babies exactly. But it is sexual, albeit darkly so. Can't this be twisted 'love?'
Is sick love some sort of pathological 'love?' Yes?
Well, if that is so then it's sick love or dark romance.
Romance by any other name is romance: sick or not.
I also feel that Dracula's actions with regard to over powering Mina (novel) to force her to feed on him is sexual. It is sexual abuse really when he restrains her.
Naturally, he's not her knight in shining armor. She's not wanting to have his babies exactly. But it is sexual, albeit darkly so. Can't this be twisted 'love?'
Is sick love some sort of pathological 'love?' Yes?
Well, if that is so then it's sick love or dark romance.
Romance by any other name is romance: sick or not.
With regard to the film (my favorite by Coppola) I think it is quite clear that there is quite a bit of sexual longing and tension present. Mina and the Count want to go steady and right away! That's pretty obvious. It also makes for some great scenes!
We watch it and are fascinated but do we ever doubt for one second that we are watching a HORROR film? No!
We watch it and are fascinated but do we ever doubt for one second that we are watching a HORROR film? No!
With regard to horror fiction in general, there is what I term ‘dude horror’ which is often horror written mainly by men for men. The women depicted in this sort of fiction tend to be victims. There is, in my opinion, little or no ‘romance.’ There may be sex but candlelight dinners and violins, no.
I wonder, though, if sexual longing and desire along with genuine love cannot be present in dark horror.
I write gothic romance but my fiction is very different from what is commonly termed gothic romance. This is not paranormal romance. It is darkest horror with some romance in it (sometimes).
The question is can dark gothic romantic horror be considered horror?
Life has horror in it. And supernatural horror with the worst evil imaginable might have a thread of longing that is a kind of love.
Why can’t the worst demonic being have loved once, whether briefly or for a micro second?
Why narrow the field?
Why define horror with restrictions?
If paranormal romance isn’t horror can darkest gothic romance be considered to be horror?
I’d love to know other opinions on this. Please let me know! Thank you!

Carole I can't agree with you more. As having read your book, "The House on Blackstone Moor" had romantic--all be it dark--within its pages, it was romance never the less.
ReplyDeleteMy books also have romance, but it is not the normal paranormal romance where we know two characters will wind up together at the end. I really don't know myself who will bed who. I want the sexual longing to be there and also for my main character to have more than one guy to long for and dream about.
I have read "guy" horror novels and some do have threads of "romance" in them, but I certainly can see the destinction where the horror is characteristically the main theme and gets very horrific and romance takes a back seat.
As far as Dracula (yes Coppola best), this is a dark romance. Dracula finds the woman he once loved reincarnate in Lucy. How tragically romantic can you get?
Lorelei, thank you so much for your comment which is so much more than a comment!
ReplyDeleteYes! thanks for that about my book.
Your work is far more horror oriented too than some of the lighter horror which some paranormal romance may be associated with.
I think this is at the heart of some people not accepting horror can have romance in it.
In short, you nailed it both in your writing and your comment, here today!
and really, the dark romance aspect is the greatest horror of all: the danger (real danger) along with some sexual longing is hugely interesting!
So true, he does recall his past love and there is no greater tragedy than that!
thank you so much for that.
Carol, any way you could post something like this on my blog as a host post???
DeleteI remember watching Coppola's Dracula several times just to see Gary Oldman kiss Mina (can't remember the actress's name LOL). That was sexy. I think many readers enjoy gothic horror romance - and the bad boy. I'm thinking of Heathcliffe here. Horror romance can be very enticing.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, I know some of the epublishers are starting lines actively looking for "romantic horror"--Ellora's Cave I believe. I think that's exciting. My first love is romance, but I'm also a horror fan so I'm all for blending the two. :)
ReplyDeletewow Susan!
ReplyDeleteYessssssssssssssssssss
so true. ah, we love the danger, the pathos!
Film verison: she was the image of his dead wife (winona ryder)!!! and he wanted her back, to love her once more!
what is more exciting and enthralling than that?!
Sue, thanks so much for your comment. i agree!
Roni, yes. Ellora's Cave is big.
ReplyDeleteI too, like both.
I'm a dark horror fan though and writer of...
not really paranormal romance.
i think (and here's where it gets interesting) that DARKEST horror and romance can be blended!
thanks very much for your comment.
wow, this is exciting, thanks so much for your reply.
I completely agree--and I might add that the two together offer a great contrast. :-)
ReplyDeleteyes, thanks Lisa.
ReplyDeletethey do add. it enriches the work. in fact it can inspire the work!
Love and danger equals conflict! we love it, we read it, we write it.
that's so true. thank you.
Hello, Miss Carole! I think we're all preaching to the choir with this question, but I, too, agree. Why define horror with restrictions, indeed? The horror is Horror; how we got there or by what avenue we took is up to the author. In fact, isn't trying something new what its all about? As a music fan, some of my favorite songs are Power Ballads which was the marriage of heavy metal and love songs, basically.
ReplyDelete-Jimmy
agreed!
ReplyDeleteyes, and the heavy metal is a great comparison!
i can't think of a better one than that.
great comment.
thanks so much, Jimmy!
As always a great post Carole! I for one don't understand why the two can't be blended together for some peeps. I would actually love to see more of them. I see no reason why they can't be blended. Most every other genre is blended together to an extent, why should horror be excluded in this? *puzzled* I'm also reading a lot more dark-fantasy paranormal and loving them. :D
ReplyDeleteDeAnna S.
Hi DeAnna!
ReplyDeleteThank you for that!
Sure, they can. Why (as you say) put up road blocks--embellishing a genre with more danger and conflict is the way to go!
I agree, it can and should be blended!
Nothing like danger and desire.
btw! i'll be putting up a notice about a special post I'm doing for a very special writer and friend in the next few days!
thanks again for commenting!
Carole, Dracula is one of my favorite books and it is most certainly sexual. I have always seen Vampires as sexual creatures. That is mainly how they seduce their victims, IMO and can be very erotic and horrifying.
ReplyDeleteHi Lisa,
ReplyDeletesure it can! good point!
it can be horrifying when the two elements are mixed.
and it's erotic too and horrifying as you say.
thanks so much for taking the time to comment.
agreed, girlfriend!
let's lay it on them: horror and romance!
This is the best Dracula ever, and you're right. The romance is so powerful really. I'd go as far as to state that it's more powerful than expounded in some purely romance novels. My take? I think it's the element of angst that drives it that much further, the depths of desperation that lead a character to invest their entire being in this emotion. Whether it has a happy or tragic ending is irrelevant. It's the tortured hero factor whose story and motivation lies at the core of the horror...
ReplyDeletethank you, Natalie.
ReplyDeleteI agree. And you make excellent points.
We find that so exciting, the angst and desperation.
that's why i love character driven fiction.
as you say: 'the tortured hero factor whose story and motivation lies at the core of the horror...' That is so well put.
thanks so much.
Hello!
ReplyDeleteGlad you invited me to like your page--you have a new fan :)
The pic of Dracula and Lucy was enough to peak my interest--then I read that you want to write this in your own books!!
I will be looking you up and buying today :)
hey there!
ReplyDeleteI thank you so much!
My book, The House on Blackstone Moor is being republished soon! it's being re-edited as we speak.
the sequel to follow!
I do have a page on Amazon with my short story collecitons.
thanks you so much!